Category: Analysis

Comparing Dwight Jones and Brandon Marshall

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A comparison between North Carolina’s Dwight Jones and former Central Florida wide receiver Brandon Marshall illustrates why you have to remember what you’re comparing.  A lot of the comparisons I see will compare a college player with an NFL player.  But that is not an apples to apples comparison.  It would be an apples to apples comparison if made between the college player and the NFL player when they were playing in college.  There’s a difference.

I will make a wager with you that if you go through about the top 5-7 players at each position in the draft draft, you could, without much looking, find a comparison for all of them with a successful pro player.  Most of the time the comparison isn’t just with a successful pro, it’s with a pro bowl player.  I just read one comparison that likened Mohamed Sanu to Hakeem Nicks.  It’s possible that they will have similar pro careers, but they did not have similar college careers.

But that is how player comparisons go.  Often the comparison is a best case scenario.  But to see whether the best case is realistic, let’s look at the 2007 wide receiver class that included Calvin Johnson.  Three of the top seven wide receivers have less than 10 career touchdowns.  This is a class that has played five seasons now.

Overall Pick Name Team Receptions Yards Touchdowns College
2 Calvin Johnson DET 366 5872 49 Georgia Tech
9 Ted Ginn Jr. MIA 159 2047 6 Ohio St.
23 Dwayne Bowe KAN 356 4927 36 LSU
27 Robert Meachem NOR 141 2269 23 Tennessee
30 Craig Davis SDG 51 558 2 LSU
32 Anthony Gonzalez IND 99 1307 7 Ohio St.
44 Sidney Rice MIN 178 2613 20 South Carolina
45 Dwayne Jarrett CAR 35 428 1 USC
51 Steve Smith NYG 231 2510 12 USC
73 Jacoby Jones HOU 127 1741 11 Lane College
74 Yamon Figurs BAL 5 103 1 Kansas St.
75 Laurent Robinson ATL 143 1858 15 Illinois St.
76 Jason Hill SFO 76 1028 8 Washington St.
78 James Jones GNB 187 2704 20 San Jose St.
79 Mike Sims-Walker JAX 134 1798 14 Central Florida
80 Paul Williams TEN 1 7 0 Fresno St.
99 Johnnie Lee Higgins OAK 57 779 4 Texas-El Paso

 

If you go back and look at the 2006 class of wide receivers, only two of the top eight wide receivers drafted (Santonio Holmes and Greg Jennings) have more than 10 career touchdowns.  The 2008 draft class has now played four seasons and only two out of the top 13 wide receivers have more than 10 career touchdowns.

The reason this is important is because NFL draft comparisons often suffer from survivor bias.  Only successful players remain in the minds of the comparers.  Comparisons are rarely made with players who might have been more similar, but didn’t pan out. 

Dwight Jones and Brandon Marshall are similar size, speed, and also had similar stats in their last year of college.  They may or may not have similar pro careers, as there are a lot of variables in play there, but going into their pro careers they look like reasonable approximations of each other.  It’s worth noting that people aren’t high on Dwight Jones, but people weren’t high on Brandon Marshall either.  Marshall was a fourth round pick.

Player Dwight Jones Brandon Marshall
Draft Year 2012 2006
40 Time 4.55 4.52
Weight 230 229
Ht 75 77
SOS 2.34 -3.51
School North Carolina Central Florida
Drafted By   DEN
Overall Pick   119
% of Team TDs 45% 46%
Td/g 0.92 0.85
% of Team Yds 38% 39%
Y/G 92.0 91.9
Y/R 14.1 16.1
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Comparing Stephen Hill, Kenny Britt, Jon Baldwin, and Julio Jones

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I think Stephen Hill probably has a lot of draft gurus scratching their heads.  I’ve heard people say he reminds them of Demaryius Thomas or Calvin Johnson, which I think only illustrates that people can’t help but match patterns. 

Finding real comparables for Hill is tough, but there are three names that are sort of in the same ballpark.  Hill is similar to Kenny Britt, Jon Baldwin and Julio Jones on various measures.  These are all big guys who can all “jump out of the gym” and their big bodies don’t slow them down at all.  They also don’t flash based solely on stats in college.  Julio Jones caught more touchdowns in an injury-impacted season with the Falcons than he did in his last year at Alabama, which is odd.  This is the point where people typically point to the Alabama running game for the reason that Jones didn’t catch a lot of touchdowns – even though Alabama did throw a number of touchdowns, Jones just didn’t garner the lion’s share of them.  They were spread around.

Player Stephen Hill Kenny Britt Jon Baldwin Julio Jones
Draft Year 2012 2009 2011 2011
40 Time 4.36 4.47 4.49 4.34
Weight 215 218 228 220
Ht 76 75 76 75
SOS -0.12 0.85 2.33 5.77
School Georgia Tech Rutgers Pittsburgh Alabama
Drafted By   TEN KAN ATL
Overall Pick   30 26 6
% of Tm TDs 26% 28% 31% 28%
Td/g 0.42 0.58 0.38 0.54
% of Tm Yds 42% 41% 31% 33%
Y/G 68.3 114.3 63.2 87.2
Y/R 29.3 15.8 15.5 14.5

Comparing Marvin McNutt, Jordy Nelson, and Roy Williams

For other posts in my similarity/comparison series see:

Comparing Stephen Hill, Kenny Britt, Jon Baldwin, and Julio Jones

Comparing Dwight Jones and Brandon Marshall

Trent Richardson Similarity Scenarios

Marvin McNutt Similar to Jordy Nelson and Roy Williams

This is sort of an interesting one because Jordy Nelson and Roy Williams were fairly similar coming out of college, but Williams broke out right away, while Nelson took a little longer.  Just more proof that similarity is not equal to destiny.  Nelson looked like the “bust” early on and Williams looked like the “bust” later in his career. 

I was interested because Marvin McNutt is similar to both of them.

Player Marvin McNutt Jordy Nelson Roy Williams
Draft Year 2012 2008 2004
40 Time 4.54 4.51 4.48
Weight 216 217 211
Ht 75 75 75
School Iowa Kansas State Texas
SOS 2.93 2.85 3.72
Drafted by   GB DET
Overall Pick   36 7
TD Market Share 39% 52% 41%
TD/G 0.92 0.92 0.69
Yards Market Share 43% 47% 40%
Y/G 101.15 133.83 83.00
Y/R 16.04 13.16 15.41